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This is going to be a rarity for us. But this time, it is too important to mess around. We swore to keep this a lighthearted pie in your face mess with the messers and smear the smearers kinda blog, to call out hypocritical and smarmists on our fragile little island.

However, this issue demands the utmost seriousness, so we aren't going to engage in our usual fun ranting and dissing critiques of others critiques of critiquing stuff.

Nope, this one is one hella a serious post. And we are going to fill it with facts figures, and true stuff, for the po'e. If you don't know what that means, then you can just sit at the sidelines, and watch. Hamau. This ain't your battle.

To begin with our very senior editorial staff will be writing this one.

We want to begin, by presenting the original names of the Kauai men and women that protested annexation.
We want you to look around in your commu7bnity and look for those names that still exist. Get out your genealogies. Check it out. And then, show up at the meetings here, on Monday and Tuesday, and represent your ohana,and your ohana lines, with dignity, truth and honor. Do not swear, to not scream or shout, or get violent. Your Kupuna did not act like this. They came in their Sunday best. There is nothing wrong with dressing in a traditional manner, that should be encouraged, and by all menas bring signs. But don't put swear words on them, and do not swear, or make threats while wearing malo, or other sacrfed items. THis demeans what they are and what they mean.They had excellent manners and deportment, but where forceful thoughtful and passionate in their speech. Ali'is did not yell, scream, and swear. They acted in a dignified manner to represent the dignity of the Hawaiian people, and their affront at being annexed. Try to control the bad stuff, and bring forward the good stuff.

Here are the official lists, in the official document, with the original photocopy of those documents:

Kue: The Hui Aloha Aina Anti-Annexation Petitions, 1897-1898

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Image of Mrs. Kuaihelani Campbell, President Hawaiian Women's Patriotic League

NA KANE


Men
APANA O LIHUE (District of Lihue)
MOKUPUNI O KAUAI (Island of Kauai)
Sept. 11th 1897
Enoch Johnson, Secretary -- James Keauiluna Kaulia, President
Thumbnail image of petition page
Men
APANA O LIHUE (District of Lihue)
MOKUPUNI O KAUAI (Island of Kauai)
Sept. 11th 1897
Enoch Johnson, Secretary -- James Keauiluna Kaulia, President
Thumbnail image of petition page
Men
APANA O LIHUE (District of Lihue)
MOKUPUNI O KAUAI (Island of Kauai)
Sept. 11th 1897
Enoch Johnson, Secretary -- James Keauiluna Kaulia, President

Thumbnail image of petition page
Men
APANA O LIHUE (District of Lihue)
MOKUPUNI O KAUAI (Island of Kauai)
Sept. 11th 1897
Enoch Johnson, Secretary -- James Keauiluna Kaulia, President
Thumbnail image of petition page
Men
APANA O HANAPEPE (District of Hanapepe)
MOKUPUNI O KAUAI (Island of Kauai)
Sept. 11th 1897
Enoch Johnson, Secretary -- James Keauiluna Kaulia, President
Thumbnail image of petition page
Men
APANA O HANAPEPE (District of Hanapepe)
MOKUPUNI O KAUAI (Island of Kauai)
Sept. 11th 1897
Enoch Johnson, Secretary -- James Keauiluna Kaulia, President
Thumbnail image of petition page
Men
APANA O HANAPEPE (District of Hanapepe)
MOKUPUNI O KAUAI (Island of Kauai)
Sept. 11th 1897
Enoch Johnson, Secretary -- James Keauiluna Kaulia, President
Thumbnail image of petition page
Men
APANA O WAIMEA (District of Waimea)
MOKUPUNI O KAUAI (Island of Kauai)
Sept. 11th 1897
Enoch Johnson, Secretary -- James Keauiluna Kaulia, President
Thumbnail image of petition page
Men
APANA O WAIMEA (District of Waimea)
MOKUPUNI O KAUAI (Island of Kauai)
Sept. 11th 1897
Enoch Johnson, Secretary -- James Keauiluna Kaulia, President
Thumbnail image of petition page
Men
APANA O HANALEI (District of Hanalei)
MOKUPUNI O KAUAI (Island of Kauai)
Sept. 11th 1897
Enoch Johnson, Secretary -- James Keauiluna Kaulia, President
Thumbnail image of petition page
Men
APANA O KAWAIHAU (District of Kawaihau)
MOKUPUNI O KAUAI (Island of Kauai)
Sept. 11th 1897
Enoch Johnson, Secretary -- James Keauiluna Kaulia, President
Thumbnail image of petition page
Men
APANA O KAWAIHAU (District of Kawaihau)
MOKUPUNI O KAUAI (Island of Kauai)
Sept. 11th 1897
Enoch Johnson, Secretary -- James Keauiluna Kaulia, President
Thumbnail image of petition page
Men
APANA O KAWAIHAU (District of Kawaihau)
MOKUPUNI O KAUAI (Island of Kauai)
Sept. 11th 1897
Enoch Johnson, Secretary -- James Keauiluna Kaulia, President
Thumbnail image of petition page

NA WAHINE

Women
APANA O Lihue (District of Lihue)
MOKUPUNI O KAUAI (Island of Kauai)
Sept. 11th 1897
Mrs. Lilia Aholo, Secretary -- Mrs. Kuaihelani Campbell, President
Thumbnail image of petition page
Women
APANA O KOLOA (District of Koloa)
MOKUPUNI O KAUAI (Island of Kauai)
Sept. 11th 1897
Mrs. Lilia Aholo, Secretary -- Mrs. Kuaihelani Campbell, President
Thumbnail image of petition page
Women
APANA O HANAPEPE (District of Hanapepe)
MOKUPUNI O HAWAII (Island of Hawaii)
Sept. 11th 1897
Mrs. Lilia Aholo, Secretary -- Mrs. Kuaihelani Campbell, President
Thumbnail image of petition page
Women
APANA O HANAPEPE (District of Hanapepe)
MOKUPUNI O Kauai (Island of Kauai)
Sept. 11th 1897
Mrs. Lilia Aholo, Secretary -- Mrs. Kuaihelani Campbell, President
Thumbnail image of petition page
Women
APANA O WAIMEA (District of Waimea)
MOKUPUNI O KAUAI (Island of Kauai)
Sept. 11th 1897
Mrs. Lilia Aholo, Secretary -- Mrs. Kuaihelani Campbell, President
Thumbnail image of petition page
Women
APANA O WAIMEA (District of Waimea)
MOKUPUNI O KAUAI (Island of Kauai)
Sept. 11th 1897
Mrs. Lilia Aholo, Secretary -- Mrs. Kuaihelani Campbell, President
Thumbnail image of petition page
Women
APANA O WAIMEA (District of Waimea)
MOKUPUNI O KAUAI (Island of Kauai)
Sept. 11th 1897
Mrs. Lilia Aholo, Secretary -- Mrs. Kuaihelani Campbell, President
Thumbnail image of petition page


REPRINT OF ARTICLE LATEST AND WELL WRITTEN FROM KINGDOM OF HAWAII NEWS:

Testimonies to the U.S. Department of Interior Eerily Similar to Voices of the Past

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The hearings held by the U.S. Department of Interior throughout the Hawaiian Islands are attracting both Hawaiians and non-Hawaiians to give testimony—the sleeping giant has awakened. What is astonishing is the level of legal sophistication and historical accuracies displayed by those giving their testimony. Combined with emotions, these testimonies are eerily similar to the voices of Hawaiians documented in an article in the September 30, 1897 publication of the San Francisco Call newspaper.
This is a re-posting of a blog entry on January 29, 2014.
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Miriam_MichelsonThe article was published and authored by Miriam Michelson who was an American journalist and writer. It was written as Michelson was leaving Honolulu harbor on board the Steamship Australia heading to San Francisco. Michelson was sent to the Hawaiian Islands to do a story on annexation. Her story centers on a signature petition against annexation being gathered throughout the islands by the Hawaiian Patriotic League (Hui Aloha ‘Aina) and she bears witness to one of those meetings in the city of Hilo on the Island of Hawai‘i.
It is a powerful article that speaks to the issue of annexation from the Hawaiian perspective and the article’s title clearly speaks to the veracity of what the reader will read. Not known at the time, however, was whether or not the signature petitions would prevent the United States Senate from ratifying the so-called treaty of Senator_Hoarannexation. Before the Senate convened in December of 1897, officers of the Hawaiian Patriotic League and the Hawaiian Political Association traveled to Washington, D.C. and met with Senator George Hoar of Massachusetts. Senator Hoar agreed to submit the signature petition onto the record of the Senate when it convened, and by March of 1898, the signature petition successfully killed the treaty as the Senate was unable to garner enough votes for ratification.
Here follows a snippet of the article, which is quite lengthy, but you can read it in its entirety by going to this link and downloading the entire article in PDF format. “Strangling Hands Upon A Nations Throat
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The strongest memory I have of the islands is connected with the hall of the Salvation Army at Hilo, on the Island of Hawaii. It’s a crude little place, which holds about 300 people, I should think. The rough, uncovered rafters show above, and the bare walls are relieved only by Scriptural admonitions in English and Hawaiian:
“Boast not thyself of to-morrow.” “Without Christ there is no salvation.”
As I entered, the bell on the foreign church, up on one of the beautiful Hilo hills, was striking ten. The place was packed with natives, and outside stood a patient crowd unable to enter. It was a women’s meeting, but there were many men present. The women were dressed in Mother Hubbards of calico or cloth and wore sailor hats—white or black. The men were in coats and trousers of American make.
Presently the crowd parted and two women walked in, both very tall, dressed in handsome free-flowing trained gowns of black crepe-braided in black. They wore black kid gloves and large hats of black straw with black feathers. The taller of the two—a very queen in dignity and repose—wore nodding red roses in her hat, and about her neck and falling to the waist a long, thick necklace of closely strung, deep-red, coral-like flowers, with delicate ferns interspersed.
This was Mrs. Kuaihelani Campbell, the president of the Women’s Hawaiian Patriotic League. Her companion was the secretary of the branch in Hilo.
It was almost pitiful to note the reception of these two leaders—the dumb, almost adoring fondness in the women’s eyes; the absorbed, close interest in the men’s dark heavy faces.
After the enthusiasm had subsided the minister of the Hawaiian church arose. He is tall, blonde, fair faced, three-quarters white, as they say here. Clasping his hands in front and looking down over the bowed dark heads before him he made the short opening prayer. He held himself well, his sentences were short and his manner was simple.
There is something wonderfully effective in earnest prayer delivered in an ancient language with which one is unfamiliar. One hears not words, but tones. His feelings, not his reason, are appealed to. Freed of the limiting effects of stereotyped phrases the imagination supplies the sense. Like the Hebrew and the Latin the Hawaiian tongue seems to touch the primitive sources of one’s nature, to strip away the complicated armor with which civilization and worldliness have clothed us and to leave the emotions bare for that wonderful instrument, a man’s deep voice, to play upon.
The minister closed and a deep murmuring “Amen” from the people followed.
I watched Mrs. Emma Nawahi curiously as she rose to address the people. I have never heard two women talk in public in quite the same way. Would this Hawaiian woman be embarrassed or timid, or self-conscious or assertive?
Not any of these. Her manner had the simple directness that made Charlotte Perkins Stetson, two years ago, the most interesting speaker of the Woman’s Congress. But Mrs. Stetson’s pose is the most artistic of poses—a pretense of simplicity. This Hawaiian woman’s thoughts were of her subject, not of herself. There was an interesting impersonality about her delivery that kept my eyes fastened upon her while the interpreter at my side whispered his translation in short, detached phrases, hesitating now and then for a word, sometimes completing the thought with a gesture.
Emma_Nawahi“We are weak people, we Hawaiians, and have no power unless we stand together,” read Mrs. Nawahi, frequently raising her eyes from her paper and at times altogether forgetting it.
“The United States is just—a land of liberty. The people there are the friends, the great friends of the weak. Let us tell them—let us show them that as they love their country and would suffer much before giving it up, so do we love our country, our Hawaii, and pray that they do not take it from us.”
“Our one hope is in standing firm—shoulder to shoulder, heart to heart. The voice of the people is the voice of God. Surely that great country across the ocean must hear our cry. By uniting our voices the sound will be carried on so they must hear us.”
“In this petition, which we offer for your signature to-day, you, women of Hawaii, have a chance to speak your mind. The men’s petition will be sent on by the men’s club as soon as the loyal men of Honolulu have signed it. There is nothing underhand, nothing deceitful in our way—our only way—of fighting. Everybody may see and may know of our petition. We have nothing to conceal. We have right on our side. This land is ours—our Hawaii. Say, shall we lose our nationality? Shall we be annexed to the United States? Aole loa. Aole loa.”
It didn’t require the interpreter’s word to make me understand the response. One could read negation, determination in every intent, dark face.
“Never!’ they say,” the man beside me muttered. “Never! they say. ‘No! No!’ they say-”
But the presiding officer, a woman, was introducing Mrs. Campbell to the people. Her large mouth parted in a pleased smile as the men and women stamped and shouted. She spoke only a few words, good-naturedly, hopefully. Once its seemed as though she were talking them all in her confidence, so sincere and soft was her voice as she leaned forward.
Kuaihelani_Campbell“Stand firm, my friends. Love of country means more to you and to me than anything else. Be brave; be strong. Have courage and patience. Our time will come. Sign this petition—those of you who love Hawaii. How many—how many will sign?”
She held up a gloved hand as she spoke, and in a moment the palms of hundreds of hands were turned toward her.
They were eloquent, those deep lined, broad, dark hands, with their short fingers and worn nails. They told of poverty, of work, of contact with the soil they claim. The woman who presided had said a few words to the people, when all at once I saw a thousand curious eyes turned upon me.
“What is it?” I asked the interpreter. “What did she say?”
He laughed. “‘A reporter is here,’ she says. She says to the people, ‘Tell how you feel. Then the Americans will know. Then they may listen.’”
A remarkable scene followed. One by one men and women rose and in a sentence or two in the rolling, broad voweled Hawaiian made a fervent profession of faith.
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“My feeling,” declared a tall, broad-shouldered man, whose dark eyes were alight with enthusiasm. “This is my feeling: I love my country and I want to be independent—now and forever.”
“And my feeling is the same,” cried a stout, bold-faced woman, rising in the middle of the hall. “I love this land. I don’t want to be annexed.”
“This birthplace of mine I love as the American loves his. Would he wish to be annexed to another, greater land?”
“I am strongly opposed to annexation. How dare the people of the United States rob a people of their independence?”
“I want the American Government to do justice. America helped to dethrone Liliuokalani. She must be restored. Never shall we consent to annexation!”
“My father is American; my mother is pure Hawaiian. It is my mother’s land I love. The American nation has been unjust. How could we ever love America?”
“Let them see their injustice and restore the monarchy!” cried an old, old woman, whose dark face framed in its white hair was working pathetically.
“If the great nations would be fair they would not take away our country. Never will I consent to annexation!”
“Tell America I don’t want annexation. I want my Queen,” said the gentle voice of a woman.
“That speaker is such a good woman,” murmured the interpreter. “A good Christian, honest, kind and charitable.”
“I’m against annexation—myself and all my family.”
“I speak for those behind me,” shouted a voice from far in the rear. “They cannot come in—they cannot speak. They tell me to say, ‘No annexation. Never.’”
I am Kauhi of Kalaoa. We call it Middle Hilo. Our club has 300 members. They have sent me here. We are all opposed to annexation—all—all!”
He was a young man. His open coat showed his loose dark shirt; his muscular body swayed with excitement. He wore boots that came above his knees. There was a large white handkerchief knotted about his brown throat, and his fine head, with its intelligent eyes, rose from his shoulders with a grace that would have been deerlike were it not for its splendid strength.
“I love my country and oppose annexation,” said a heavy-set, gray-haired man with a good, clear profile. “We look to America as our friend. Let her not be our enemy!”
“Hekipi, a delegate from Molokai to the league, writes: ‘I honestly assert that the great majority of Hawaiians on Molokai are opposed to annexation. They fear that if they become annexed to the United States they will lose their lands. The foreigners will reap all the benefit and the Hawaiians will be placed in a worse position than they are to-day.”
“I am a mail carrier. Come with me to my district.” A man who was sitting in the first row rose and stretched out an appealing hand. “Come to my district. I will show you 2000 Hawaiians against annexation.”
“I stand—we all stand to testify to our love of our country. No flag but the Hawaiian flag. Never the American!”
There was cheering at this, and the heavy, sober, brown faces were all aglow with excited interest.
I sat and watched and listened.
At Honolulu I had asked a prominent white man to give me some idea of the native Hawaiian’s character.
“They won’t resent anything,” he said, contemptuously. “They haven’t a grain of ambition. They can’t feel even envy. They care for nothing but easy and extremely simple living. They have no perseverance, no backbone. They’re unfit.”
Yet surely here was no evidence of apathy, of stupid forbearance, of characterless cringing.
These men and women rose quickly one after another, one interrupting the other at times, and then standing expectantly waiting his turn—too simple, too sincere, it seemed to me, to feel self-conscious or to study for a moment about the manner of his speech, so vital was the matter delivered.
They stood as all other Hawaiians stand—with straight shoulders splendidly thrown back and head proudly poised. Some held their roughened, patient hands clasped, some bent and looked toward me, as though I were a sort of magical human telephone and phonograph combined.
I might misunderstand a word or two of the interpreted message, but there was no mistaking those earnest, brown faces and beseeched dark eyes, which seemed to try to bridge the distance my ignorance of their language and their slight acquaintance with mine created between us.
I verily believe that even the most virulent of annexationists would have thought these Hawaiians human; almost worthy of consideration.
The people rose now and sang the majestic Hawaiian National Hymn. It was sung fervently, a full, deep chorus of hundreds of voices. The music is beautifully characteristic, with its strong, deep bass chords to which the women’s plaintive, uncultivated voices answer. Then there was a benediction, and the people passed out into the muddy street.


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NOTE ON ABOVE ARTICLE: The quotes and writing are some from the ORIGINAL Anti- Annexation meetings. As you can see, at that time in the History, racism was overt and rampant. This was just after the Civil War. people were still extremely racist. Has the rhetoric changed that much from the past? Do people still think that Hawaiians are uneducated, druggie, lazy no good and stupid? Yes. We have pointed it out time and time and time again, especially on some blogs we have perused and commented on. YES. People STILL feel this way about the Po'e of Hawaii Nei. Therefore, with this exact sentiment still around, how can the poeple expect to be treated as equals that can run their own affairs? Bottom line, they cannot. First, this racism MUST be addressed, and the self deprecation of the people be erased. Second, the issue of National Sovereignty Must be addressed by the correct entities. Then and only then, can the Nation restore ITSELF!

*Anonymous guest blogger*



As you can see, as today, it is the women that are the most engaged in the process. The people of Kauai were coming out and standing strong long before anyone else got here, and way before anyone thought of calling these people "fistees", or "sellouts", or "trust fund babies". Many of these ohana, are PURE Hawaiian,  but some are are mixed blood and hapa haole decendents of Alii and Haole, from all countries, not just the United States, but Russia, England, Scotland, Ireland, and Portugal, China, Japan. The Filipino Population was not very predominate at this time, with more Puerto Ricans here.. Many Koko'ole supported the cause to fight annexation.So, it is perfectly appropriate that hanais, mothers, fathers, and tutus, aunties and uncles who do not have koko speak on this matter as well, since they are connected and attached to the families through birth, marriage in law or hanai. This is perfectly acceptable.

These names are still alive and well on Kaua'i, and each and every one of the descendents of each and every person on these petitions deserves you to get to those meetings, and with dignity, intelligence, and pride, state the case that the department of the interior is the incorrect body to address the people on this issue. Your Kupuna clearly would want the department of state to address this issue, and not the department of the interior, and emphatically would not have wanted to be a "tribe", or a "tribal Government", but would be fighting to restore the Hawaiian Kingdom, and the Hawaiian Government. Many Non Hawaiians were members of the Hawaiian Nation. Please remember that when you are testifying on this issue. Please be educated and informed. The people of Kauai have a strong reputation, and we want to keep that intact. We know the history, the genealogies and the culture. let us not slip backwards, but glide forward.


No Native Hawaiians want to be a "tribe" or "tribal government". These were not "tribes". This was a legitimate, seated, law abiding country which was illegally annexed by the United States. This was not a Native American Indian tribe, or band. The lines of secession were completely different, the culture is completely different, the understanding of "native" is completely different, the governance is completely different. In Hawaii, the Kingdom of Hawaii recognized all po'e (people) as it's citizens, under the protection of the native Hawaiian Government, no matter if they were "ex pats" from somewhere else and held "dual citizenship.".


The responsibility of the Monarchy, like all Kings and Queens that rule a country and a nation of poeple, had to provide for all citizens, regardless of national origin, skin color or race.

However, the issue of Koko(blood) predominates the right to rule, and to have favor, as the original aboriginal peoples here, prior to the arrival of Captian Cook, Captain Vancouver, and others who may or may not have arrived prior to them. These are the poeple whose needs and rights are foremost, and tier descendants, and those for whom they call "Ohana", and that includes Hanai as well., as that was a true classification of person, although not always of koko, accepted, with full rights.

Our Heir apparent, was Princess Kaiulani, who was half white, whose father was a Scott Archibald Cleghorn. According to the will of the Queen, if she died *which she did,m at the age of 22*, the throne would revert to the House of Kawananakoa, which still resides here, on the island of Kauai, with the Ka'auwai ohana, and with Princess Abigail, and her cousins son, Quentin Kawananakoa, who was recognized by the Untied States government and many other counties as the heir apparent to the Hawaiiian nation.

The department of the interior, does not have the ultimate jurisdiction to solve the core of the matter of the nation of hawaii, that lies within the department of State.


It was Mr Blount who served in that capacity, and it is Mr. John Kerry who serves in that capacity today.  It is only through this department, treaties and negotiations must occur, as a nation to nation conversation.

The Department of the Interior, coming to the forefront as the correct entity is incorrect, and is inflaming the people against the ideas being proposed, because native Hawaiian people have a strong national identity to ka Pae Aina, or the Country of Hawaii, not specific clans or tribal affiliations, and certainly no native Hawaiian wants to be placed into a "reservation" situation.


We also feel, that the Native American community feels similarly, and sees the Native Hawaiian question as unique and distinguished from their own, and also understands the sentiment of the Hawaiian pole, and those who claim loyalty to the Sovereignty of the people, and also would support the nation, since it hasn't gone anywhere, The sovereignty of the people has never been in question. The return of the nation is not an issue, as it is still intact.

The only question to be answ3ered is: Will the State Department enter into negotiations with Hawaiian Nationals in regards to their Country, and not seek the tack of the Department of Interior trying to recreate the wheel when the wheel has already been created and in motion for decades.

The queen had a very strong constitution, it is only that, and the restoration of the Hawaiian Kingdom, and the Country of Hawaii that is the only question to be4 asking the department of the interior is when will the Department of State be addressing the people of Hawaii Nei?

THis, is how we, here, are taking this position.


We hope that many will read this post. Put away what this blog has been for fun, and mockery of those who have been a minor thorn in the side of the people.


This writing is serious and in earnest.


Listen. hamau. Wake Up Rise Up Stand Up.


We know where to take this too. Now, all we have to do is let them know we know where the question belongs, and what the answer should be.


We ask, each and every person, to remain calm, cool, dignified, but passionate in the speech without swearing, or getting too wild. If you feel that way take a break. We will not play into the hands of racists, and nay sayers who want to portray ka Po'e Hawaii, and those who love them, or are loved by them in a wrong light.


Now, is our chance and time to respect our Kupuna, and stand as they did, with dignity and honor, with grace, intelligence, and pono and righteous thoughts and words, actions and deeds. There is no other way to be pono.


There is no other way to Shock and Awe.

Amene


With All Due Seriousness


The kauai Snarklectic Staff
Portions of this post were written by a guest writer, who is not kauai Snarklectic Editorial Staff.


We had to bring in the Big Ones for this post.

Mahalo to that guest writer, "Anonymous".

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Is being a famous person fun? In most of Jay-Z’s music it sounds fun—the “Big Pimpin’” music would lose much of its effect if it took place at, say, a Wal-Mart—but on his latest, “Holy Grail,” Jay makes a late grab at the Hollywood sadcore that’s previously been the domain of Drake. While he’s still celebrating the good life, Jay seems ambivalent whether being a celebrity is good for him as a person. Let’s run down the pros and cons of being the world’s most famous rapper, as outlined by “Holy Grail.”
PRO: Your infant daughter is already dissing haters at a third-grade level:
Blue told me remind you *bleeped*
Fuck that shit y’all talking bout
CON: You may end up like MC Hammer:
Caught up in all these lights and cameras
But look what that shit did to Hammer
PRO: You may find yourself infatuated by all the attention:
Goddammit it I like it
Bright lights is enticing
CON: You may also end up like Mike Tyson:
But look what it did to Tyson
All that money in one night
Thirty mill for one fight
But soon as all the money blows
All the pigeons take flight
CON: You may find yourself anthropomorphizing the concept of fame, turning it into a devilish seductress straight out of a detective novel:
Fuck the fame, keep cheating on me
What I do, I took her back, fool me twice
That’s my bad, I can’t even blame her for that
Enough to make me wanna *bleep*
PRO: You have enough clout to talk Courtney Love into letting you sample Nirvana:
And we all just entertainers
And we’re stupid and contagious
And we all just entertainers
CON: The demands of fans and media make it virtually impossible to lead a normal life:
Now I got tattoos on my body, psycho bitches in my lobby
I got haters in the paper, photo shoots with paparazzi
Can’t even take my daughter for a walk
See ‘em by the corner store, I feel like I’m cornered off
PRO: You can say dumb stuff like “I’m going to stop being famous” while knowing no one will hold you to it:
Enough is enough, I’m calling this off
Who the fuck I’m kidding though
PRO: You get to hang in fancy cars with add-ons denied to the common man :
I’m getting high, sitting low
Sliding by in that big body
Curtains all in my window
This fame hurt but this chain works
PRO: Your job isn’t actually that hard compared to the average American’s:
I think back you asked the same person
If this is all you had to deal with
"Peeps"*bleep* deal with, this shit ain’t work
This light work
Camera snapping, my eyes hurt
"Peeps"bleep dying back where I was birthed
PRO: The good things in your life generally outweigh the bad:
Fuck your IRIS and the IRS
Get the hell up off your high horse
You got the shit that "peeps"*bleep*die for, dry yours
Why you mad, take the good with the bad
Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water
PRO: You’re not dead yet:
You still alive, still that"peeps"
"peeps" you survived
You still getting bigger "peeps"
Living the life, vanilla wafers
In a villa, illest "peeps"alive
VERDICT: Being famous sucks, but it could be worse: You could be (gasp) not famous!
The full lyrics are below. You can listen to the song at the bottom of the post!
[Justin Timberlake]
You’d take the clothes off my back
And I’d let you
You’d steal the food right out my mouth
And I’d watch you eat it
I still don’t know why, why I love you so much, ohh
You curse my name, in spite to put me to shame
Have my laundry in the streets, dirty or clean
Give it up for fame
But I still don’t know why, why I love it so much
And baby, it’s amazing I’m in this maze with you
I just can’t crack your code
One day you screaming your love aloud
The next day you’re so cold
One day you here, one day you there, one day you care
You’re so unfair
Sipping from your cup till it runneth over
Holy Grail
[Jay-Z]
Blue told me remind you n--s
Fuck that shit y’all talking bout
I’m the n--a
Caught up in all these lights and cameras
But look what that shit did to Hammer
Goddammit it I like it
Bright lights is enticing
But look what it did to Tyson
All that money in one night
Thirty mill for one fight
But soon as all the money blows
All the pigeons take flight
Fuck the fame, keep cheating on me
What I do, I took her back, fool me twice
That’s my bad, I can’t even blame her for that
Enough to make me wanna m----r
Momma please just get my bail
I know nobody to blame
Kurt Cobain, I did it to myself
[Both]
And we all just entertainers
And we’re stupid and contagious
And we all just entertainers
[Justin Timberlake]
And baby, it’s amazing I’m in this maze with you
I just can’t crack your code
One day you screaming your love aloud
The next day you’re so cold
One day you here, one day you there, one day you care
You’re so unfair
Sipping from your cup till it runneth over
Holy Grail
[Jay-Z]
Now I got tattoos on my body, psycho bitches in my lobby
I got haters in the paper, photo shoots with paparazzi
Can’t even take my daughter for a walk
See ‘em by the corner store, I feel like I’m cornered off
Enough is enough, I’m calling this off
Who the fuck I’m kidding though
I’m getting high, sitting low
Sliding by in that big body
Curtains all in my window
This fame hurt but this chain works
I think back you asked the same person
If this is all you had to deal with
Nigga deal with, this shit ain’t work
This light work
Camera snapping, my eyes hurt
Niggas dying back where I was birthed
Fuck your IRIS and the IRS
Get the hell up off your high horse
You got the shit that n---s die for, dry yours
Why you mad, take the good with the bad
Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water
You still alive, still that n---a
N---a you survived
You still getting bigger n---a
Living the life, vanilla wafers
In a villa, illest n---a alive
Michael Jackson’s Thriller
[Justin Timberlake]
And baby, it’s amazing I’m in this maze with you
I just can’t crack your code
One day you screaming your love aloud
The next day you’re so cold
One day you here, one day you there, one day you care
You’re so unfair
Sipping from your cup till it runneth over
Holy Grail
You get the air out my lungs whenever you need it
And you take the blade right out my heart
Just so you can watch me bleeding
I still don’t know why
Why I love you so much, yeah
And you play this game in spite to drive me insane
I got it tattooed on my sleeve forever in ink with guess whose name
But I still don’t know why
Why our love is so much
And baby, it’s amazing I’m in this maze with you
I just can’t crack your code
One day you screaming your love aloud
The next day you’re so cold
One day you here, one day you there, one day you care
You’re so unfair
Sipping from your cup till it runneth over
Holy Grail

 OUR MEATY EPIC POST: Puleu Included


Jay Z's Holy Grail, and every WORD of this is dedicated to Joan Conrow, The Epic Queen of Mean and Snark, and her Fistee Milyun Dollar Snarkies. Joan accused US of Stealing HER name. Really? Where? What name? This blog is called Kauai Snarklectic. This blog was created as a snark, rage, diss and rant blog. It certainly wasn't created for Joan. It was created for us. Because we said so. We Invented that name. Its ours. Its an epic name that no one has ever come up with ever before. It is also legally copyrighted, unlike Joans blog name. Hint: We are going to be a .com soon, AND get a donation button too! We figured with 50 thousand hits on our blog now, we could at least make a buck a hit and get rich. Why not? Naw, on second though that sounds way too much like work. And we prefer to play.

Joan sure as hell didn't come up with it. As for the name Kauai, Joan sure as hell didn't invent that name either. And she sure as FUCK don't own that name either. As for the phonetic..."clectic", well we bet every dime of Joan's blog donation money that wasn't invented by Joan Conrow wither, now is it "Hers". So, in essence, Joan, as usual is really confused. On many things. Joan also mentions, or her readers do as well, if you can call them that, since they can't read disclaimers about our blog.

Reminds us of when Kim Taylor Reese *a man, by the way*, decided that the pics he took of basic hula kahiko poses were HIS copywriter stuff. Eyah, right. Pissed off a FUCKTON of people. This is Joan Conrows logic as well. Figures. Both exploit the culture. Yeah we went here. Go tell Reese what we said. Link to this blog. Go ahead. Knock yourself out man, rock on with your bad self. Yeah, he so did that. He pulled a Joan Conrow. Oops, his bad, and now, Joan's bad.

Joan also claims the word "writer" and "reporter" as only belonging to her as well. We believe the only word that should have Joan Conrow as its definition in any dictionary, Urban, Suburban, and any in-between is the word "Snarkist". We agree, Joan Conrow personifies that word. Epically , totally and completely. He (Reese) knows he was wrong, and Joan knows she is wrong.

But her silly little anon acolytes will defend her to their last breath. Which, judging by the average age of most of her posters, at over the age of ninety, and the uncool ninety, you know the kind who hate hippies and pine for the good old days before segregation.


Our blog states ad nauseum that we have nothing to do with Dustin Barcas campaign. We like him, want him to win for Mayor, and as a free thinking citizen we reserve the right to support any body we want to on our blog. So, given Joan Conrows reasoning, any candidate that she or her Snarkie Fistees support, means, that each and everyone of those sup[pi9orters speaks for, is endorsed by, and is recognized by those campaigns of those individuals that they endorse.


Gee, really? Perhaps Joan should call up those campaign headquarters and remind them that she is writing in favor of them, and could they keep that in mind. Yanno, like maybe make an official announce ment or something>? What a laugh.

Joans Anonie Snarkie Fistees cannot read to save their lives. We really get such a crack up over them continuing to still try to link US to Barca! We didn't bother putting up our disclaimer on this post, because we aren't making any pro-Barca statements, this blog post is all about us baby, but WTF gives some anon idiot the right to say jack shit about what we support on our blog?  Exactly. They got no rights. Not here, on this blog. The only rights they got, is overt on Joans blog, where they can be their nasty black hearted selfish, lying SOBS all they want. They can carry their "patriotic" freak flag, right wing debutante holier then though I'll crush your head mentality until the GMO fed cows come home. But not on this blog. We rule here, not Joan Cornrow, or any of her little geriatric minyuns. We think we will gift them all with a truckload of depends, ben gay, and lots of denture cream. We have an electrified fence around this blog, so enter at your own risk. Don't like it, go and whine on Joans blog. Then we get to pick it apart here.


Isn't blogging Fun?


We also love, how Joan, while she is having her road"trip", tripping through some unknown and undisclosed area of the Mainland, where she so obviously feels comfortable, while she actually disses Kauai and all of those annoying things about Kauai, she never tells us where she is, or who she is with, only that she is somehow making incredibly flowery prose about wherever it is she is. She spends a lot of time discussing the forest floor, and its minutia of flora and fauna, which leaves us to conclude that she may be making some chocolaty goodness way out there in "gods country.". We just hope that she has a hardcopy of her blog to clean up with.


Oooh, we are VELLY VELLY bad! Apparently. In fact, our blog was almost the entire subject matter of Joan's blog today! We have done it, kids. We wanted to see if we could get Joan to rage, and we did. Although its geriatric raging, of the walker variety type, and really lightweight, we are classifying it, and the blogger anons that post on her blog as a "rage".

In fact, it's an epic rage. The best part was when one of her longtime anon blogposters jumped ship and said, "screw this I'm outta here". Welcome back from the chocolaty side, my friend.

We are continually amazed at how the Hypocrisy streams forth from the backside of Joan's blog, just like after drinking a gallon of Chili Pepper Water and Tequila Enema. Ya gotta love a blog author, that allows numerous anon comments, because she is somehow "protecting", her sacred better then thou posters reputations in the community, claiming that most have positions and are business owners, and they wanna ream their fellow Kauaians, so gosh darn it Joan is gonna protect them, but, if WE take the same precautio0ns, Joan and her Snarkie Fistee Minyuns blows a gasket.

Not only that, they really seem very clear on this. How dare we ask people to use their name, and own their words, yet, Joan wants US to us OUR name, and own OUR words! Oh my, my, my, isn't she just the gentile and lovely mainland lady? We wonder, with all of the whining Joan does about kauai why she ever bothers returning. We are sure that her rental, or whatever could go to a nice, deserving local family that actually Needs to be here. Seriously. Maybe we could do an exchange. One ohana that had to leave because they couldn't afford things or make ends meet who had to move to the mainland can move back home where they are from, and Joan Conrow can move back to where SHE is from. Sounds fair to us.

So, what exactly are we kvetching about? We aren't. We just  couldn't be happier, because our blog has finally achieved its goal, and that was, to get the ragers to rage. That's what trolls do. And we are trolls. We are reamers, ragers and dissers. Raging and reaming and trolling other trollers. Which is exactly the kind of writing that Joan does, and all of her little Anon Bloggie Fistie Snarkie Minyuns. They are like five year olds saying "I know I am but what are you!", and sticking out their toungues, and then running off giggling, like they are all mature and stuff. Yeah. Real mature. Like when Joan swears on her blog, or allows comments that talk of "24912 supporters wet dreams, or nocturnal emissions. Two things that Joan is decidedly not familiar with at all.

So, shall we show you the epically snarkie blogpost Joan made, while DISSING EVERYTHING about Kauai and praising everything mainland?

That's right, good old patrioctic Joan, flying her freak flag, without fear on the forest floor somewhere is happily letting us all see her true colors, and they sure ain't Mokihana Purple, folks.


So, here, for your veiwing pleasure, is ALL of the raging, snarky chocolaty goodness, that is the Joan Conrow Expedrience!

"Joan Conrow and Crapulence In A Forest"
*we like our title better*

Chocolaty goodness, laced with GMO corn, and bees. I n honor of us achieving the Holy grail of Snarking, mentions on Joan Conrows Blog.


 JOANS CRAP IN DIARRHEA LIGHT BROWN MUCK, OURS IN RED

 

 

 

Monday, June 23, 2014

Musings: Appreciatively

Sitting in a meadow in a forest burned two years ago, where skeletons of charred ponderosa pine reach toward a cobalt sky, I am marveling at the lushness of the land in this high desert place. Opened by the blaze, the forest floor is a riot of life, profuse with thistle, milkweed, yellow dandelions, delicate wildflowers of pink, lavender, white, blue. 
It is a bursting banquet of food for birds and insects; the elk, deer, rabbits and rodents that feed coyotes, bears, us. In days of old, people, too, would've relished the succulent dandelion and thistle greens, fresh and purifying after the monotony of winter's dead diet.


And now we dismiss them as weeds, deem them bad, unsightly, douse them with poison, eradicate them with a vengeance. How do we come to forgot the value of such things?


I have been appreciating small things in this arid climate: sprinkling salt easily from a shaker left always open; keeping chocolate in its original wrapper, at room temperature, secure in the knowledge it will not be chewed or licked by geckos, ants or cockroaches; towels that dry quickly, even when folded in thirds on a rack.


Some of us are learning to appreciate the importance of pollinators, which are celebrated with a national week of their own. This series of amazing photographs gives a glimpse into the incredible beauty of bees, which come in far more colors than the standard yellow and black.


But the recent Cascadia Times article on seed company pesticide use — rehashed in The Garden Island, though TGI staffer Chris D'Angelo did no original research or verification of his own — is nothing more than the standard propaganda now regularly served up by the anti-GMO/anti-"big ag" forces.


As I reported last November, the Media Consortium is funding a series of supposedly independent articles about “pesticide-based pollution, GE food, corporate influence and other important topics” here on Kauai. The Cascadia Times article is the latest.


So far, every report published has reiterated all the same stuff, including the Cascadia Times piece, which also compared pesticide use on Kauai to the mainland.


The reporter came to the alarming conclusion — dutifully and unquestioningly regurgitated by TGI's Chris D'Angelo — that the seed/chem companies are applying restricted use pesticides here at a much greater rate than most mainland farms. But Dr. Steven Savage, a former manager of research at DuPont and a former professor at Colorado State University whose research is cited in the Cascadia Times article, contends the reporter misinterpreted data.


One example is the restricted use pesticide chlorpyrifos, which is applied in much higher quantities to California crops like walnuts, pecans, sweet potatoes and asparagus than Kauai seed corn, according to Savage.


The Cascadia Times article also compared unlike figures, including the total amount of land leased by seed companies today to the total amount of harvested cropland in the U.S. in 2012. It also extrapolated annualized pesticide use on Kauai by using several months of data reported by the seed companies, which they say is not representative of yearly use. That figure was then compared to mainland pesticide data from 2009.


In short, the article used shoddy “research” to achieve sensationalized results. But that didn't prevent Huffington Post, The Progessive and other like-mined media outlets and blogs from lazily reprinting its findings without question, just like TGI.


And just like the other Media Consortium articles, the Cascadian Times piece quotes only those who tout the party line. Like Councilman Gary Hooser, who previously took the chem/seed industry to task for “employ[ing] an army of industry bloggers and social media experts that attack the credibility and integrity of their opponents at every step.”


But I haven't heard Gary or any of his anti-GMO supporters speak against the blog that was started solely for the purpose of attacking me, Luke Evslin, Joni Kamiya-Rose and anyone else who dares to question the movement, its tactics, its funders, its objectives or its fallout.
The Cascadia Times article includes this quote:


Kaua‘i is Ground Zero for the testing of GMO crops,” said Gary Hooser, a member of the Kaua‘i County Council and an author of Ordinance 960. “It is also Ground Zero for democracy in action.”


So how, exactly, is an active effort to force dissenters to “shut the fuck” up an expression of “democracy in action”? It's not unlike the recent commenter who could only come to one conclusion for my critique of the movement he endorses: I must be in the pay of the seed companies.


No, as I've stated numerous times, I've never gotten a penny or anything else from those folks. My criticism of the anti-GMO movement and its divisive, simplistic, “with us or against us” mentality is based solely on my disdain for any propaganda-promoting totalitarian crowd. 


It's bad enough that the anti-GMO movement has discredited itself by taking such an approach. But it's even worse that it seems totally blind to the fact that it is behaving exactly like the chem companies it reviles, pushing those of us who appreciate dialogue and discernment into the fertile landscape of middle ground.

  COMMENTS

I completely agree that TGI is lazy and irresponsible for republishing articles blindly but its no surprise that people would think you have a severe slant towards biotech, offering up Dr Steven Savage as the counter argument.

I'm trying to understand the critiques that Dr Savage is addressing...."One example is the restricted use pesticide chlorpyrifos, which is applied in much higher quantities to California crops like walnuts, pecans, sweet potatoes and asparagus than Kauai seed corn, according to Savage." So there is higher quantities to CA crops, say...3x amount to HI corn crops x amount, the overall amount used is still the same...

"The Cascadia Times article also compared unlike figures, including the total amount of land leased by seed companies today to the total amount of harvested cropland in the U.S. in 2012. "

If we had the harvested cropland figures for Kauai, wouldn't that make the lbs per acre on Kauai even greater because the number currently incorporating land out of use and fields out of rotation?

"It also extrapolated annualized pesticide use on Kauai by using several months of data reported by the seed companies, which they say is not representative of yearly use. That figure was then compared to mainland pesticide data from 2009."

Do you think that a full year of data would significantly shift the results that the author observed in the analysis?

Where can we really find an unbiased analysis out there, with everyone discrediting everyone....

For the record I think that blog in mention is disgusting and immature.
June 23, 2014 at 8:41 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm glad you mentioned the ugly blog that is very crude. Note no one comments on it, you can only comment by posting your name and they (whoever it is that writes it), do not use their names.
Nice attempt at stifling thoughtful discussion with meanness.
But it also seems to be a Dustin campaign platform and that is really scary that he allows his campaign materials to be used on a site like that. It speaks volumes and nothing good.
Who writes it?
June 23, 2014 at 8:46 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Who writes it?"

Nomi Carmona and Juan Wilson, among others.
June 23, 2014 at 8:48 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anon 8:48am: How do you know? Who/what is your source?
June 23, 2014 at 8:59 AM

Blogger Luke Kambic said...
The Center for Food Safety sponsored a "home rule" concert event in Waimea (Big Island) on Saturday. Pretty bizarre to see a bunch of lawyers from New York intervening in local politics. From one of the ads on their facebook page:

"We need to have the power to determine what is right for us on our own islands. We need HOMERULE!

Your voter registration is your ticket in!"

That ad was posted the day after Kamehameha Day.
June 23, 2014 at 9:00 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...
8:59 -- It's easy to recognize Juan and Nomi's style.
June 23, 2014 at 9:05 AM

Blogger Joan Conrow said...
To Aria Juliet -- I wasn't offering Dr Savage as the "counter argument," but pointing out he was disputing the use of his statistics. Deliberately distorting my reference as a way to attack and discredit me is yet another example of how your movement operates.
June 23, 2014 at 9:09 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...
seems Andy contributes possibly too. and since the writers read this blog,
if you are proud of your work, own it
June 23, 2014 at 9:12 AM

Blogger Edward Coll said...
The "blog with no name" denies anonymity to others while granting anonymity to themselves. "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." -George Orwell

People that treat themselves fairly but deny such fairness to others are creating an unlevel playing field. They make others out themselves so they have a known target to attack,
while preventing attacks on themselves.
If you post, you have made yourself a potential target for unfair and unknown people. Priceless!
June 23, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...
The Garden Island hasn't been a source of news for years.
I hope that this election will not be purely based on GMOs, there are many issues facing Kauai.
The Anono Blog is much ado about nothing. Lots of Vicodin, Booze and a sprinkle of Zoloft in that estrogen fueled dither. It will burn out, but it is a real compliment to Joan Conrow, for a group to target her, steal her name and reach deep for velly velly bad things to say.
Sorry Joan, I guess you really are a bogey person.
Perhaps someone can help out, the link below,(if this comment gets on Kauai Eclectic) is a short segment of a recent Council meeting. Did Joann Yukimura set Tim up? She certainly is calm, cool and collected. And, will Tim Bynum be made to apologize to the Council for pencil throwing and arm (fistee) waving antics?
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"Musings: Who is Fooling Who?"

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Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well said, Joan.
June 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Today's Garden Island has an interesting article about Tim Bynum's ag tax bill.

"When Committee Vice Chair JoAnn Yukimura cast the deciding vote, Bynum threw his pencil and stormed out of the room."

He has some behavioral issues.
June 19, 2014 at 1:35 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hey, looks like after a few days on the mainland, you already forgot to stop and smell the flowers. I missed your nature intro.
June 19, 2014 at 2:09 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Good and very reliable information about delusional people. As the saying goes the devil is in the details. Mr. Richard Ha is a respectable local farmer and have spent decades farming the land, he knows a lot more than the Google phd's!
June 19, 2014 at 3:03 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
That is the sad state of affairs we are now in that the issue itself has become toxic
June 19, 2014 at 3:26 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Tim's pencil throwing behavior is a pure example of Fistee behavior.
There has always been veiled violence in Fistee strategy. Chanting mobs and threats to the Mayor.
Just the expression "milyun fists" as inane as it is, suggests less than civil discourse.
How can Gary Hooser, the Big Fister himself even be included in any Council discussions on Ag, Traffic, development etc.? His newly ordained priestlike position as the president of HAPA should exclude him from any discussion or vote.
Jackpot Tim should have clutched his "lead" pencil a little tighter in his Fistee. Shameful. If a person from the public threw a pencil during a Council meeting, the outrage from the Council and public outcry would have ostracized the testifier. But not Tim, he is a Councilman (and as such is not bound by basic manners) and he is allowed to sue the People and get big dough, do a baby tantrum and never apologize...and the beat goes on.
Thank you for the information on the big Island farmers. Eloquent.
June 19, 2014 at 5:36 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Great column Joan. I heard that the anti-GMO guys protested the Tropic Care event, along with some anti-Pac Rim folks. Tropic Care is providing some really awesome medical, dental and vision care for our local residents. Why protest that???
June 19, 2014 at 8:03 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What is really sad that on Kauai, and in the rest of the state for that matter, there has been nothing done in recent memory to truly support agriculture.
Instead we see efforts deconstruct and dismantle it....dairies become "unsustainable" in the eyes of a resort....."agronomics" would increase the taxes on ag land for those that do not "raise, harvest or sell crops".

It would be nice to see....for once, someone that would introduce a bill to help ag.....maybe give tax credits to those seeking to improve aging irrigation systems, or support for new farmer marketing and food safety classes or low cost loans to farmers that are established, but need money for capital improvements to get them to the next level of production and profitability.

It would be nice, right? No, it would be right.
June 19, 2014 at 9:44 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dear Joan, I find it odd that a blog which once appeared as the voice of balance, and reason, has become a sounding board for the Biotech-Chemical industry here on Kauai. You, and the lion's share of your current followers, seem to see no redeeming value whatsoever to restricting the application of inordinate amounts of dangerous, restricted use pesticides by these companies, with experiment results and future corporate profits, not produce or even seed, being the end goal. Instead, you appear content to find fault, criticize, and snipe at those who are seeking to protect the aina and those who populate it. It seems that you fully buy into the propaganda promulgated by the "Crop Improvement" society and industry spokespeople. Have you lost your way, and your objectivity? Or are you so confident in the righteousness of your "protect the GMO industry" cause that you are willing to surround yourself solely by those who agree with your viewpoints about this issue?

Well, enjoy your dwindling club meetings. Don't even bother to respond to this comment; I'm gone and I won't be back.

By the way, I know what a combine looks like and I happen to drive on a regular basis to enjoy Kokee and Polihale. Once more, I see no evidence of any substantial corn seed harvest going on. It's time to take your head out of the sand.
June 20, 2014 at 7:32 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
9:44
The State and County should stay out of Ag and people's lives.
A kid who wants to farm will find a way to do it. There is land and many land owners who will assist small farmers. It is a cool thing to do for the NS "in" crowd. A real Ag lease from the State or Big land may have some provisions that will make new farmer put the land back to what it was, if their is a failure.Farmers are a sturdy creative breed.
Most ag dedication is for cattle...put up a fence and put in some cows and you get the low property tax rate. I love my cows, but if you really want land, irrigation ditches and water to get torn up....put in some cows. Cows will be Bynum/Hooser next target, anyway. Ranches aren't Ag, in their mind.
The Hana Wai systems that are owned by DLNR are mostly broken...Private ag ditches that are owned by Big land are perfect. Big land takes care of the ditches and the land, because they know they will need for their grand kids...
Get the government out of Ag, their rules will destroy all of us.
Plus you whackos, big land controls most of the water delivery systems....if you push big Ag too hard, they will use their allocated water and dump the rest back to the river.....and then the downline ag will have to figure out how to transmit their water....they may may be landlocked out.
PS Joann Y, your heavy breathing palpitations over a three hundred acre sweet potato farm is misguided....get a few of these 300 acre farms and their economy of scale can wipe out every little farmer who takes his truckload to the Farmers Market...Y'all forget farming may be romantic, but it blood, sweat, tears, weather, tractors that don't start, neighbors that complain, Councilmen who throw pencils, nosy l'il fistees checkin' on your sray application etc that are the real bane of the farmer...oh yeah, forgot about Costco where a person can buy "organic" at 1/3 the cost of Kauai grown.
June 20, 2014 at 8:42 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Really? From all indications recent transplants have their Agenda set, in destroying decades of building a beautiful island by instilling fears, lies, and misguided truths about how we should live. Misgivings are becoming an acceptable trend and being forced as truths in a sea of constant guise as false hopes and dreams that are truly not acceptable
June 20, 2014 at 9:23 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Yes this new Bynum bill is a looser just like Hooser's 2491/ ordinance 960 is a looser. Time to move on and bring the community focus back to reality and positive discussions. Let's not indulge these wacko council members anymore. Move forward and leave them in the dust. Kauai does not want, need or appreciate you and your tactics anymore council members Hooser, Bynum, yukomura, chock, furfaro. We're fed up and disgusted. The best you can do us move far away from this kind of issues and hope our memories are short. But I think you've all just ruined your careers. Time to retire. Good bye and good riddance to you folks and all your fooled, taken advantage of, uninformed followers.
June 20, 2014 at 11:27 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This blog has continuously pushed for effective laws that will make a difference. 2491, passed at 3 in the morning at the insistence of Bynum, Hooser and the rabid red shirts, is flawed and may be illegal. Just because she calls them as she sees them doesn't mean that Joan is "protecting" the GMO industry. Joan described a meeting where she expressed concerns about the bill and Hooser told her that enforcement of the law wasn't important. How cynical and manipulative can you get?
June 20, 2014 at 12:22 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So, June 20, 2014 at 8:42 AM, you say get the government out of AG?
This means it would be OK with you if Koloa Rum Company, as so many others do, subvert the AG law that is implemented by County and State?
Is that what you want? Just willy-nilly. The laws in place arenʻt strong enough to protect these lands as it is and you want those voided.

I could agree with you depending on what government it is. If it is the government of the rightful owners of these lands then more than ever government should be overseeing. Everything.
June 20, 2014 at 1:35 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The White House on Friday ordered environmental regulators to review the effect that pesticides may be having on bees and other pollinators that have suffered significant losses in recent years.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-06-obama-pesticides-effect-bees.html#jCp
June 20, 2014 at 2:12 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
7:32 Joan's blog, thru her hard work and sharing generosity has been a sounding board for both pro and con GMO.
I do not know Joan, but in my opinion she is adamantly against the Seed growers, development and anything that harms the environment, untruthfulness and power grabs.
Her criticism of the Fistee movement may, perhaps be that any temporary victory, in the passing of the anti-GMO law will be circumvented by the courts. Joan may also be a little disturbed at the lies, mob like behavior and intentional "good guy/bad guy" labels put on anyone who questioned the anti-GMO law.
I think Joan's concerns are being validated, Jackpot Tim's meltdown this week at the Council meeting and Big Fist Gary, taking a new position as Gauleiter for a mainland funded environmental group, are two examples of the aftermath of the pre-dawn, mob mentality passage of the anti-Ag bill.
Joan seems to have an understanding on the the core of Kauai. Kauai's people do not like exaggerations, threats or High Nose behavior.
Joan may have been aware that all of the perceived gains of the anti-GMO bill can be forever hindered as Kauai's people vote and kick out certain Council members. A new Council can wipe clean all red shirt gains and as the new Council moves forward they will work hard to get rid of the lingering Bad Taste of the mobs, chanters and waving fisters.
As you read this 7:32 (oh, you will keep reading, for where else are you going to find out what is happening on the island? surely not the newspaper) know that perhaps, Joan could care less if she loses a reader or two. Her words are read by many and she has a platform. She shares credit with the people who bring her evidence or ideas....but on the other hand, your viewpoint is typical of many of the fistees "my way or the highway" attitude......there are many issues that effect Kauai landfill, Police, housing, mayor's gas use, drugs etc....I am appreciative this blog. Thank you Joan Conrow, and keep on writing.
Signed- an Anonymous full blown right wing (Guns for Jesus)long term resident Haole nutjob.
June 20, 2014 at 3:04 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
1:35 Push big land owners out of Ag and voila! you get a checkerboard (like the North Shore) of little "farms" owned by a cadre of rich dilettantes.
June 20, 2014 at 3:14 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
7:32 AM – I think your cup of Kool aide is empty. Better fill’er up again. We’re glad you won’t be back too since there’s no debating with a fanatical drone.
June 20, 2014 at 4:19 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Pesticides are all over the stores for people to buy and use in their homes and yards,please protest the stores, golf course's use phenomenally more pesticides than agriculture operations, please protest the golf courses, and resorts use even more,please protest them too, the building next to the preschool was just tented with restricted use pesticides and the Mission Hall for the Waioli Church next to Hanalei school just got tented. No warning at all for the summer school kids , please protest, they spray the field where the kids play in Princeville and they spray Foodland.
Don't shop there? buy your produce from Marta's Organic farm in Moloaa, toxic Heptachlor legacy from pineapple in the soil there too,
we are surrounded by pesticides with nothing to show in reduction when the land is urbanized.It's enough to make you sick, but then you only thought this was paradise.
June 20, 2014 at 8:10 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
8:10 cites examples of pesticide use on the island and concludes "it's enough to make you sick." Is it? That's the unanswered question, isn't it? Toxicologists will tell you that "the dose is the poison." Ergo, such nasty carcinogens as benzene, naturally occurring in eggs, and formaldehyde, naturally present in apples, do no harm to human health. Do residues of Heptachlor present a danger? Nowadays, we can measure these things by parts per billion. And that is the task still to be performed if Kauai wants to know if it has a problem or not. It's certainly worth doing and far more worthwhile than adopting feckless legislation or whining about things that beg for measurement first and foremost.
June 21, 2014 at 4:56 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm tired of "Fistees" and suggest that the wing of that Party favoring a category of agriculture named "agronomics" be called "Agrognomes", a term that better harmonizes with the extent of their grip on reality. Facts from their Party Line like "inordinate amount of pesticides” blah, blah, blah, and “drenching the soil”, blah, blah, blah, “We, (some of) the People” blah, blah, blah “not produce or even seed” blah, blah, blah will undoubtedly be exposed at trial. So will seed company real property taxes and all manner of other things in a suit brought over this bill if it sees the light of day after August. Only on the Kauai of the Agrognomes would an industry that has developed and sold seeds to farmers for decades be considered something apart from agriculture (sorry 6-20; 7:32AM that’s what Pioneer Hi-Bred has been doing since 1924). Parent seed is a raw material, the factory if you will, for the production of a final product sold to farmers for planting, and companies invest heavily in R&D to remain competitive. They actually sell real products to 90% of the nation’s soy and corn farms- not bullshit like Agrognomes. I hope the bill’s sponsors looked into transfer pricing and strategies 101 before hatching this dud. It won’t be fun if they did not. Oh, but I would really like to have chlorine banned from the municipal water supply so that the use of dangerous pesticides is hugely reduced here in ‘Aina Agrognomia.
June 21, 2014 at 7:05 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Just because something grown (or made) here isn’t sold here is a reason for not granting and ag tax dedication or for outright banning it? So if a crop is grown specifically for people who live in Vietnam (or wherever) then no ag dedication should be given. When did ag dedications become all about “sustainability” instead of preserving ag jobs and open land against over development? This is a new interpretation never envisioned by our leaders who put it into place.
June 21, 2014 at 8:54 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The truth of this whole issue is that the Fistees have no viable (meaning logical) argument to bring against GMO farming so they (mis)use pesticides as the issue. The whole Fistee movement is a hoax…a falsehood to cause fear in the uninformed. Hooser and Bynum are fakes and liars. These two are funded by, and are pawns of, the large organic corporate farms in the mainland who have chosen Kauai as their battle ground against conventional farming. Kauai is an easy place to take over since it has a lot of hippies who are willing bozo’s to support anything that’s not “natural, man” and who are scared to death of scientific progress. Progress which has the ability to feed a starving world, to bring good drinking water to the half of the world that will not have decent drinking water by 2025.
June 21, 2014 at 8:55 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Leadership Kauai started by funding from Cornerstone now holds 3 council seats, Tim Bynam, Jay F and now Mason. Seems they are being groomed for getting rid of Agriculture on Kauai and will lead us right into development.
Any insights?
June 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What's true is chemicals make money for these companies. The big Ag companies that use these chemicals will eventually pollute soil and our drinking water. Check their history in other locations.

Politiks or not....Red shirt or Blue shirt.....chemicals don't care.....they cause harm and the apathy and complacency by the State and County use of pesticides is sickening.

Monsanto reported earnings of $368 million during its first quarter of the 2014 fiscal year, or $0.69 per share, easily beating last year's $339 million figure. Analysts had expected EPS to come in at $0.64. The company attributed its 8.6% rise in profits to higher sales in biotech soybean seeds and its signature herbicide, Roundup; soybean sales alone grew 16% to $267 million.

What's true.......Big Ag..control the food of the world (not feed it)and it needs stupid people working for them in the fields.


We need to clean the slate of ALL of the county council members.

Dr Shibai
June 21, 2014 at 1:08 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This comment section is infested with paid trolls posting 24/7. Too bad it use to be a good community sounding board.
June 21, 2014 at 1:40 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
1:40
The comment section is highly entertaining.
An anomaly, Joan's structured blog gets a cacophony of peculiar comments... and some not so peculiar, like yours....lighten up. Kauai has many perspectives. Please try to not be so grouchy, embrace the spirit.
June 21, 2014 at 8:02 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We need to clean the slate of ALL of the county council members.

I totally agree but another obstacle is not voting the same syndicate families in office. Also, we cannot VOTE for syndicate slaves as our county council.

We must VOTE Kauai's Mafia out of office!
June 21, 2014 at 10:05 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Just don't vote a new mafia in either .
June 22, 2014 at 6:06 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What is "cornerstone"?
Leadership Kauai asked for money years ago and many biz is gave 1000 in support
June 22, 2014 at 7:51 AM